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[R]Literature Map [message #290431] So, 25 Juni 2006 15:39
alec  
This site claimes to map "litereatry relatedness" - if you like this
writer, then you'll like that one.

So I had to try it with PTerry, of course.

http://www.literature-map.com/terry+pratchett.html

Some of it is obvious - the closest are Douglas Adams and Tolkien. But
some seem less so to me. Isaac Asimove is very close, but Robert
Heinlein very far away - as is Jane Austen. Yet my inpression is that,
which Asimove is certainly widely read on afp, Heinlein and Austen both
have more real fans, as opposed to readers, than Asimov.

Any opinions?
Re: [R]Literature Map [message #290485 ] So, 25 Juni 2006 19:19
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
The time: 25 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: Alec Cawley <alec [at] spamspam.co.uk>

> This site claimes to map "litereatry relatedness" - if you
> like this writer, then you'll like that one.
>
> So I had to try it with PTerry, of course.
>
> http://www.literature-map.com/terry+pratchett.html
>
> Some of it is obvious - the closest are Douglas Adams and
> Tolkien. But some seem less so to me. Isaac Asimove is very
> close, but Robert Heinlein very far away - as is Jane
> Austen. Yet my inpression is that, which Asimove is
> certainly widely read on afp, Heinlein and Austen both have
> more real fans, as opposed to readers, than Asimov.
>
> Any opinions?

I'd love to know how thet worked this out. Even going by "what
you'd expect to be the case", rather than "what's actually the
case", I was surprised to see Tom Holt and Rob Rankin hiding
in the opposite corners.

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
Re: [R] Literature Map [message #290520 ] So, 25 Juni 2006 20:15
sphira9343  
Alec Cawley wrote:
> This site claimes to map "litereatry relatedness" - if you like this
> writer, then you'll like that one.
>
> So I had to try it with PTerry, of course.
>
> http://www.literature-map.com/terry+pratchett.html

Is there any way to add something to that?

CCA
Re: [R]Literature Map [message #290563 ] So, 25 Juni 2006 21:19
alec  
In article <Xns97EDBA6ABF3Edaibhid [at] 130.133.1.4>,
daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com says...
> The time: 25 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
> speaker: Alec Cawley <alec [at] spamspam.co.uk>
>
> > This site claimes to map "litereatry relatedness" - if you
> > like this writer, then you'll like that one.
> >
> > So I had to try it with PTerry, of course.
> >
> > http://www.literature-map.com/terry+pratchett.html
> >
> > Some of it is obvious - the closest are Douglas Adams and
> > Tolkien. But some seem less so to me. Isaac Asimove is very
> > close, but Robert Heinlein very far away - as is Jane
> > Austen. Yet my inpression is that, which Asimove is
> > certainly widely read on afp, Heinlein and Austen both have
> > more real fans, as opposed to readers, than Asimov.
> >
> > Any opinions?
>
> I'd love to know how thet worked this out. Even going by "what
> you'd expect to be the case", rather than "what's actually the
> case", I was surprised to see Tom Holt and Rob Rankin hiding
> in the opposite corners.

I think they only count how they relate to the centre. To finds out how
Holt and rankine relate to each other, click one of them. With Tom Holt
centred, Rankin is nearby. and both Terry Pratchett and Terry Prachett
lurk in a one corner. With Rankin centred, Holt is ths nearest and the
Terrys lurk in differnt corners.

Looking like this, I don't find it very convincing.
Re: [R]Literature Map [message #290570 ] So, 25 Juni 2006 21:31
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
The time: 25 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: Alec Cawley <alec [at] spamspam.co.uk>

> In article <Xns97EDBA6ABF3Edaibhid [at] 130.133.1.4>,
> daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com says...
>> The time: 25 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
>> speaker: Alec Cawley <alec [at] spamspam.co.uk>
>>
>> > This site claimes to map "litereatry relatedness" - if
>> > you like this writer, then you'll like that one.
>> >
>> > So I had to try it with PTerry, of course.
>> >
>> > http://www.literature-map.com/terry+pratchett.html

<snip>

>> I'd love to know how thet worked this out. Even going by
>> "what you'd expect to be the case", rather than "what's
>> actually the case", I was surprised to see Tom Holt and
>> Rob Rankin hiding in the opposite corners.
>
> I think they only count how they relate to the centre. To
> finds out how Holt and rankine relate to each other, click
> one of them. With Tom Holt centred, Rankin is nearby. and
> both Terry Pratchett and Terry Prachett lurk in a one
> corner. With Rankin centred, Holt is ths nearest and the
> Terrys lurk in differnt corners.

It wasn't so much that they were in different corners as that
they were in the corners at all. (Although I've never read any
Terry Prachett[1], so I can't comment on that.)

> Looking like this, I don't find it very convincing.

Me neither.

[1] Although I have written a poem about him
http://google.com/group/alt.fan.pratchett/msg/a460619f43e807 d2?hl=en&

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
Re: [R]Literature Map [message #290578 ] So, 25 Juni 2006 21:42
Rocky Frisco  
Alec Cawley wrote:

> This site claimes to map "litereatry relatedness" - if you like this
> writer, then you'll like that one.
>
> So I had to try it with PTerry, of course.
>
> http://www.literature-map.com/terry+pratchett.html
>
> Some of it is obvious - the closest are Douglas Adams and Tolkien. But
> some seem less so to me. Isaac Asimove is very close, but Robert
> Heinlein very far away - as is Jane Austen. Yet my inpression is that,
> which Asimove is certainly widely read on afp, Heinlein and Austen both
> have more real fans, as opposed to readers, than Asimov.
>
> Any opinions?

I always have an opinion, don't I?

Asimov was a big disappointment to me. I was nuts about his stuff when I
was a kid. At an older age, as soon as I began to possess some skill at
writing I began to dislike his stories. My opinion is that he was a crap
writer. I was also disappointed at the shallowness of his personal
philosophy and I think that's why he was so embittered by his own
impending death. He seems to me to have been religiously atheistic and
materialistic, to an extent that would have been impossible if he had
had even a nodding acquaintance with epistemology.

Now, the question was actually whether the mentioned site was right or
wrong on predicting which writers are popular with TerryFans. I think
Heinlein would be more generally liked than Asimov by our crowd, and
it's not the comparative tone or literary content that makes me think
this; it's all of the free love and weird sex in RAH's later works. ;)

I can imagine TGD blushing while he burnt RAH's books.

RAH was an enormous influence on my formative years. I couldn't wait to
have a wife so I could lend her to my friends.

(There may be ironic content in the above)

-Rocky
--
Joss Whedon is my Master; Alyson Hannigan is my Ideal Woman
Re: [R]Literature Map [message #290697 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 01:19
raltbos  
Alec Cawley <alec [at] spamspam.co.uk> wrote:

> This site claimes to map "litereatry relatedness" - if you like this
> writer, then you'll like that one.
>
> So I had to try it with PTerry, of course.
>
> http://www.literature-map.com/terry+pratchett.html
>
> Some of it is obvious - the closest are Douglas Adams and Tolkien. But
> some seem less so to me. Isaac Asimove is very close, but Robert
> Heinlein very far away - as is Jane Austen. Yet my inpression is that,
> which Asimove is certainly widely read on afp, Heinlein and Austen both
> have more real fans, as opposed to readers, than Asimov.

I dunno. I certainly used to be a fan of Asimov, and in parts, I still
am. His writing is enjoyable and accessable. He is at his best where
intellectual pursuits are involved - which is probably why I still love
his Black Widowers stories very much. He's markedly inept at human
relations, though.
Jane Austen I haven't read.
Heinlein... no. While he's certainly an accomplished storyteller, IMO he
insists on letting his politics and his attitude towards people shine
through, and unlike Asimov, who just strikes me as less capable in this
area, Heinlein's anti-sociality decidedly repels me.

IOW, Asimov can be fun, but Heinlein is the exact opposite of PTerry:
anti-human.

Richard
Re: [R]Literature Map [message #290747 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 05:11
SteveD  
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:42:22 -0500, Rocky Frisco <rocknatural [at] gmail.com>
wrote:

>Asimov was a big disappointment to me. I was nuts about his stuff when I
>was a kid. At an older age, as soon as I began to possess some skill at
>writing I began to dislike his stories. My opinion is that he was a crap
>writer.

One of the school of "amazing universe, cardboard characters" writers.
Fantastic ideas for his time, though.


-SteveD
Re: [R]Literature Map [message #290752 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 05:51
Arthur Hagen  
Alec Cawley <alec [at] spamspam.co.uk> wrote:
> This site claimes to map "litereatry relatedness" - if you like this
> writer, then you'll like that one.
>
> So I had to try it with PTerry, of course.
>
> http://www.literature-map.com/terry+pratchett.html
>
> Some of it is obvious - the closest are Douglas Adams and Tolkien.

After it settled down, J. K. Rowling was the closest when I tried it.

> But
> some seem less so to me. Isaac Asimove is very close, but Robert
> Heinlein very far away - as is Jane Austen.

Heinlein was /very/ American and sex obsessed, so that's not so surprising.
Austen? That's far away in time, and a different genre.

> Yet my inpression is that,
> which Asimove is certainly widely read on afp, Heinlein and Austen
> both have more real fans, as opposed to readers, than Asimov.

I thought it was literary relationship, and not fanbase? Otherwise, I'd
find it conspicuous that Jasper Fforde isn't even on the list.

By the way, who's the second Adams in addition to Douglas Adams? Herbert
Adams?

Regards,
--
*Art
Re: [R]Literature Map [message #290768 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 08:42
Brenda  
Arthur Hagen said:

<snip>

> By the way, who's the second Adams in addition to Douglas Adams? Herbert
> Adams?

Possibilities include Richard Adams (Watership Down) and Scott Adams (The
Dilbert Principle, et al).

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [R]Literature Map [message #290902 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 13:46
John Duncan Yoyo  
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:39:11 +0100, Alec Cawley <alec [at] spamspam.co.uk>
wrote:

>This site claimes to map "litereatry relatedness" - if you like this
>writer, then you'll like that one.
>
>So I had to try it with PTerry, of course.
>
>http://www.literature-map.com/terry+pratchett.html
>
>Some of it is obvious - the closest are Douglas Adams and Tolkien. But
>some seem less so to me. Isaac Asimove is very close, but Robert
>Heinlein very far away - as is Jane Austen. Yet my inpression is that,
>which Asimove is certainly widely read on afp, Heinlein and Austen both
>have more real fans, as opposed to readers, than Asimov.
>
>Any opinions?

I clicked on Tom Holt and it came up with Terry Pratchett and Terry
Prachett. The Prachett reference ends up next to Holt while Pratchett
is pretty far away. I guess this means if you like Holt and Pratchett
you can't spell Pratchett.

Do we know how they set this up?
--
John Duncan Yoyo
------------------------------o)
Brought to you by the Binks for Senate campaign comittee.
Coruscant is far, far away from wesa on Naboo.
Re: [R]Literature Map [message #290940 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 15:28
John Duncan Yoyo  
On 25 Jun 2006 19:31:45 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach
<daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com> wrote:

>The time: 25 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
>speaker: Alec Cawley <alec [at] spamspam.co.uk>
>
>> In article <Xns97EDBA6ABF3Edaibhid [at] 130.133.1.4>,
>> daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com says...
>>> The time: 25 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
>>> speaker: Alec Cawley <alec [at] spamspam.co.uk>
>>>
>>> > This site claimes to map "litereatry relatedness" - if
>>> > you like this writer, then you'll like that one.
>>> >
>>> > So I had to try it with PTerry, of course.
>>> >
>>> > http://www.literature-map.com/terry+pratchett.html
>
><snip>
>
>>> I'd love to know how thet worked this out. Even going by
>>> "what you'd expect to be the case", rather than "what's
>>> actually the case", I was surprised to see Tom Holt and
>>> Rob Rankin hiding in the opposite corners.
>>
>> I think they only count how they relate to the centre. To
>> finds out how Holt and rankine relate to each other, click
>> one of them. With Tom Holt centred, Rankin is nearby. and
>> both Terry Pratchett and Terry Prachett lurk in a one
>> corner. With Rankin centred, Holt is ths nearest and the
>> Terrys lurk in differnt corners.
>
>It wasn't so much that they were in different corners as that
>they were in the corners at all. (Although I've never read any
>Terry Prachett[1], so I can't comment on that.)
>
How long did you wait? I opened it up and came back to it later.
Terry Prachett was next to Holt on Holt's map. The Music site has an
option for fixing misspellings but the literature site doesn't that I
have found.
--
John Duncan Yoyo
------------------------------o)
Brought to you by the Binks for Senate campaign comittee.
Coruscant is far, far away from wesa on Naboo.
Re: [R]Literature Map [message #290942 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 15:28
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
The time: 26 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: John Duncan Yoyo <john-duncan-yoyo [at] cox.net>

> On 25 Jun 2006 19:31:45 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach
> <daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com> wrote:

>>It wasn't so much that they were in different corners as
>>that they were in the corners at all. (Although I've never
>>read any Terry Prachett[1], so I can't comment on that.)
>>
> How long did you wait? I opened it up and came back to it
> later. Terry Prachett was next to Holt on Holt's map. The
> Music site has an option for fixing misspellings but the
> literature site doesn't that I have found.

I hadn't actually tried any of the others. If you centre on
Prachett, Holt makes a beeline for him as well.

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
Re: [R]Literature Map [message #290943 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 15:28
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
The time: 26 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: "Arthur Hagen" <art [at] broomstick.com>

> Alec Cawley <alec [at] spamspam.co.uk> wrote:
>> This site claimes to map "litereatry relatedness" - if
>> you like this writer, then you'll like that one.
>>
>> So I had to try it with PTerry, of course.
>>
>> http://www.literature-map.com/terry+pratchett.html
>>
>> Some of it is obvious - the closest are Douglas Adams and
>> Tolkien.
>
> After it settled down, J. K. Rowling was the closest when I
> tried it.

<snip>

> I thought it was literary relationship, and not fanbase?
> Otherwise, I'd find it conspicuous that Jasper Fforde isn't
> even on the list.

It seems to be saying the former. I find it conspicous that
Fforde isn't listed either way...

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
Re: [R]Literature Map [message #291019 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 17:16
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
The time: 25 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: Alec Cawley <alec [at] spamspam.co.uk>

> This site claimes to map "litereatry relatedness" - if you
> like this writer, then you'll like that one.
>
> So I had to try it with PTerry, of course.
>
> http://www.literature-map.com/terry+pratchett.html

Latest amusing discovery: If you're a fan of Iain Banks,
you'll probably prefer Robin Jarvis to Iain M. Banks...

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
Re: [I]Literature Map [message #291164 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 08:16
redtiger  
"Daibhid Ceanaideach" <daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97EEA5A00F9A1daibhid [at] 130.133.1.4...
> The time: 25 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
> speaker: Alec Cawley <alec [at] spamspam.co.uk>
>
>> This site claimes to map "litereatry relatedness" - if you
>> like this writer, then you'll like that one.
>>
>> So I had to try it with PTerry, of course.
>>
>> http://www.literature-map.com/terry+pratchett.html
>
> Latest amusing discovery: If you're a fan of Iain Banks,
> you'll probably prefer Robin Jarvis to Iain M. Banks...
>

And if you like P. G. Wodehouse, then your next best thing is Stephen
Hawking! Interesting and intelligent writers both, but I didn't realise
Hawking had such a comedic bent.

Anthony

--
Never forget that you are unique,
just like everyone else.
Re: [I]Literature Map [message #291168 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 08:56
SteveD  
On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:16:26 +1000, "redtiger"
<redtigeriiSPAM [at] iinet.net.au> wrote:

>And if you like P. G. Wodehouse, then your next best thing is Stephen
>Hawking! Interesting and intelligent writers both, but I didn't realise
>Hawking had such a comedic bent.

He has them rolling in the Isles.
Re: [R]Literature Map [message #291188 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 10:09
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Alec Cawley wrote:

> This site claimes to map "litereatry relatedness" - if you like this
> writer, then you'll like that one.
>
> So I had to try it with PTerry, of course.
>
> http://www.literature-map.com/terry+pratchett.html

Nice site!

I tried it with the author I'm reading at the moment [1], and the
results are:

Close orbit: R.A. Macavoy, Neal Postman.

Distant orbit: Peirs Anthony, Anne McCaffrey, CS Lewis, RA Salvatore,
Tracy Hickmann, Richard Adams.

Adrian.

[1] It's more fun, I think, to keep this secret, as it gives people
free range to speculate inside their heads.
Re: [R] Literature Map [message #291189 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 10:09
Flesh-eating Dragon  
CCA wrote:
> Alec Cawley wrote:

>> http://www.literature-map.com/terry+pratchett.html
>
> Is there any way to add something to that?

I notice you've been landed in the company of Terry Pratchett, Orson
Scott Card, Arthur C Clarke, Douglas Adams, Isaac Asimov, JRR Tolkien,
Neal Stephenson and Tom Holt.

How do you feel?

Adrian.
Re: [R]Literature Map [message #292851 ] Fr, 30 Juni 2006 01:27
raltbos  
"8'FED" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote:

> Alec Cawley wrote:
>
> > This site claimes to map "litereatry relatedness" - if you like this
> > writer, then you'll like that one.

> I tried it with the author I'm reading at the moment [1], and the
> results are:
>
> Close orbit: R.A. Macavoy, Neal Postman.
>
> Distant orbit: Peirs Anthony, Anne McCaffrey, CS Lewis, RA Salvatore,
> Tracy Hickmann, Richard Adams.

You surprise me. I'd have expected T.H. White in close orbit.

Richard
Re: [I]Literature Map [message #292905 ] Fr, 30 Juni 2006 09:40
eero.suoranta  
Alec Cawley wrote:

> This site claimes to map "litereatry relatedness" - if you like this
> writer, then you'll like that one.
>
> So I had to try it with PTerry, of course.
>
> http://www.literature-map.com/terry+pratchett.html

<snip>

> Any opinions?

I tried Lovecraft. It suggested Leon Trotsky.
Socialism and Cthulhu Mythos...
"Shoggoths of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose except your
shape!"
Re: [I]Literature Map [message #294097 ] Sa, 01 Juli 2006 20:56
Vincent Oberheim  
"E.S." <eero.suoranta [at] jtoy.inet.fi> wrote in message
news:1151655731.527698.306940 [at] y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>
> Alec Cawley wrote:
>
>> This site claimes to map "litereatry relatedness" - if you like this
>> writer, then you'll like that one.
>>
>> So I had to try it with PTerry, of course.
>>
>> http://www.literature-map.com/terry+pratchett.html
>
> <snip>
>
>> Any opinions?
>
> I tried Lovecraft. It suggested Leon Trotsky.
> Socialism and Cthulhu Mythos...
> "Shoggoths of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose except your
> shape!"
>

http://www.literature-map.com/madonna.html
*sigh*

Vincent
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